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 #8350  by Ketlan88
 Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:29 am
Hello Lee,

Any possibility of going MP4 with true 1920 x 1080 encoding at a good bit rate?.......hey even charge a bit more!!
Last edited by Ketlan88 on Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
 #8353  by admin
 Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:15 am
Ketlan88 wrote:Hello Lee,

Any possibility of going MP4 with true 1920 x 1080 encoding at a good bit rate?.......hey even charge a bit more!!


Hello, I'm looking at various different formats for the new wincest site including MP4's for mobile/tablet use but i wasn't looking at them for the main HD download?

But what do you class as a good bit rate as I have to look at file size too, theres a point at which a higher bit rate doesn't make a noticeable different to the quality but the file size becomes far to big?
 #8356  by Ketlan88
 Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:39 am
Hi Lee,

I find around 10-12Mbps is great for 1920 x 1080, I notice the clips here are 1440 x 1080.
 #8357  by admin
 Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:51 am
Ketlan88 wrote:Hi Lee,

I find around 10-12Mbps is great for 1920 x 1080, I notice the clips here are 1440 x 1080.


1440x1080 is 4:3 ratio, 1920x1080 which are the scenes on WIN are widescreen 16:9 ... For some reason thats what the details are displayed as, but they are in fact 1920x1080 6mbps bitrate. If i rendered them at 10mbps bitrate then the file size would be massive. I did alot of test renders when i first started using the new camera and 6mbs bitrate seems to be good enough quality but without too big of a file size, higher bitrates just didnt look better enough to warrant the larger filesize.

If you or anyone else has any thoughts on this please let me know.
 #8359  by Ketlan88
 Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:48 pm
Sites like RealityKings do theirs at 1920x1080 with 10-12Mbps, agree the file sizes are larger, however to my eye I find due to less compression there is significanty greater detail and depth to the image.

Specially when viewed on a large screen plasma. Near BluRay quality rather than DVD quality.

Are you using H.264/AVC

Be excellent if you had that download option here! ;)
 #8381  by nVq5gh
 Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:36 pm
With x264, instead of specifying bitrate you can specify the CRF (Constant RateFactor) which will automatically adjust the bitrate to maintain the same visual quality throughout. I really recommend it because it means that, for example, if you have two scenes that are the same duration but one has much more motion than the other, the bitrates will be adjusted accordingly, whereas if you set a bitrate yourself artifacts may appear in scenes with faster-than-average motion.

A CRF between 19-21 is usually used by online TV/movie release groups.
I've found CRF 12 to be visually lossless for 480p content, and CRF 16 for 720p+ content.

This would allow you to easily set up 4 different profiles, like:
480p HQ: CRF 19
480p UHQ: CRF 12
720p+ HQ: CRF 20
720p+ UHQ: CRF 16

x264 is also higher quality than VC-1 at the same bitrate, due to cool compression techniques like CABAC.

As for container formats, MP4 and MKV are both great for x264 streams. MP4 has the advantage of being more widely supported on renderers like TVs, BD players, etc. while MKV has less overhead in terms of both filesize and load time, which can make a significant difference with CPU usage on HD files. I would probably go with MP4 by default because of compatibility but offer a MKV option if you can be bothered, for people who will play the video on their computer.

My 2c
 #8387  by nVq5gh
 Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:57 am
I think it would be best to export the videos from Vegas in a lossless format, then load the lossless files using MeGUI. MeGUI is the best tool in my opinion because it gives you a direct GUI for the codecs; other software like Vegas try to automate things which can lead to bugs, missed features, etc. but with MeGUI when you enter the x264 settings window you are directly seeing and editing the x264 settings, and the same thing with other video and audio codecs.
I will be happy to walk you through any questions you have and I will PM you a link to a tutorial I made which covers MeGUI.
 #8395  by Ketlan88
 Fri Nov 23, 2012 7:57 pm
Getting interesting!

Now when is that new camera capable of a high MTF due.........a Canon EOS-1D C 4K DSLR or a RED perhaps?! :)